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Received my XR today, sweet and ready to ride right out of the box. Finally found a form of cardio that I enjoy, and reaping the performance benefits in both cycling and other sports! The ERG mode is definitely noticeable, but the sound isn’t dramatic. All that considered, it's been and continues to be an excellent addition to my training. I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Otherwise I have to move the brick wall before being able to start. Hi any, advise woukd be great. - Easy installation and calibration. I too have found this best on my trainer (Kickr Core fwiw), can anyone explain to me why this is the case? And those that do really want it, probably already have a cadence sensor floating around. The installation was simple. - Wide base - sprint with no fear of rocking Apple TV far superior so if your budget can stretch to combine my advice is to do so. Here’s the high level overview: Here’s a closer look at a few different surges as well. I've been happy with mine. Legs fold in for storage which is useful as I live in a small flat, Happy with my purchase 6 months on. Elite Direto XR or Wahoo KICKR V5, which is better? In any case, that’s not a hugely long list of new things, but some of the items in it are big ticket ones – notably the inclusion of a cassette, but also the increased grade simulation. B) Power Responsiveness: How quickly can it achieve a given set point (e.g. Am I missing something ? That said, 3 years ago the gap between the two was more or less double compared to where we are today. The price was an immediate selling point given the specs, appearance (sturdy yet attractive) and what others had said when using it themselves. Not the smoothest or quietest but this could be down to the cassette chain combo I am using. Hi, 15w is a tough bit high. Customer service sent a replacement out straight away no problems, no questions, got here within 2 weeks and I was up and going again with a 30 minute fix and re-calibration. When the trainer is unplugged, the brake is automatically set to a minimum percent gradient (say, between 0 and 1) for you to train without electricity, but you can actually choose any resistance you wish by unplugging the trainer while you’re still in the training session. It's been great value and has been very reliable. So, I’ll just find the gearing that sounds clean, and do the workout in that gear. But wait, are you a female and feel like these things might not apply to you? The installation was simple. I hope that the unit proves reliable over the long term and I think it will be as it seems well built. Proposé à 849,95 €, il propose une puissance maximale de 2 300 W. Doté d’un volent d’inertie de 5,1 kg, il est capable de simuler des pentes à 24 %, un record… Once paired up with the virtual paradise that is Zwift, the Direto proved to be as compatible as advertised. I've never had anything to complain about, First Direct Drive from Welshlady Sue September 8, 2020 After years using a Tacx wheel-on trainer, we switched to the Elite Direto. I did a ramp test with increasing power. The reason I do this is a faux proxy that is meant to replace the backward push we experience when riding outside, from wind resistance. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop. Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! Zwift Course Calendar – Current Guest World Sched... Wahoo Launches KICKR Direct Connect for Hardwired Conne... Zwift To Release Important Performance Bug Patch, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More), Shop for a trainer using our Smart Trainer Index, Year Released: 2017  (No longer in production), Axle Compatibility: Quick-Release and Thru-Axle. How and where can I get this information (pay)? But yeah, gotta add a picture of it for sure! If you don't want to pay the higher prices of some other trainers or just want to try wether this smart trainer thing is for you then you can do not wrong with this trainer. These show the state of your trainer. What would you choose between this new Direto XR, the Drivo II at 840€, the Kickr Core at 699€ (refurbished or 749€ for a brand new unit), and the Saris H3 at 840€ ? Elite customer support is quick to send a spare belt, though. Very happy that I made this purchase. The first turbo I received got jammed in first week, think the belt had not been put on properly / come off in transit; but the Elite customer care were great in helping replace it (where the retailer were terrible!). Yeah, something is clearly wrong there, but it’s not super clear what is wrong. Easy setup Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. No problem, the product comparison data is constantly updated with new products and new features added to old products! That said, the one thing that max gradient tends to underpin though is lower/slower speed ascents of heavier riders with steeper gradients. Home trainers Elite Direto and Tacx Flux are part of this second category. Not at your expense, but simply because I never thought of it that way – but, in 2020 it makes sense. It doesn’t matter what app is controlling the trainer, it needs to be in ERG mode. That made it nice and stable: And as for the power cord, it’s got a small trip prevention sorta thing there you’ll twist it through. I would definitely buy this trainer again, or a newer model from Elite. I've noticed I can mitigate this problem if I stop or slow down my pedaling about 5 seconds before the high intensity interval. Easy setup Accurate power Helpful support Budget-friendly. So by going into the small ring, you reduce the speed, which in turn makes it easier to control. Though I know they likely won’t for reasons that you outlined. Your reviews and comments about products most valuable!!! The key is to partially ignore that and simply measure the axle height from the ground to the rear axle. Long-term review of the Elite Direto Interactive, Smart Bike Trainer. Some saying I should use two spacers. The Direto specs say that it can simulate up to 14% gradients, but I tended to not feel any difference in the gradient from about 10% upwards. Instead, what matters is actually a harder metric to make clear – which is the ability to simulate high grades and lower speeds (especially if you’re a heavier cyclist). Based on my testing, even a small amount can lead to improved comfort while seated. But, if you want it, it’s listed under ‘Power Smoothing’, where you then pair it up to an external power meter. I’ve used with computer - phone and Apple TV. Carrying this repair out was simple with helpful video guides available. I needed to get the adapter kit and I could not find a supplier in the US that had them. While the Suito was pretty darn close last year to the perfect trainer unboxing, this one just seems a tiny bit more polished somehow. It was half the price of a Tacx Neo or Wahoo Kickr. One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. Once paired up with the virtual paradise that is Zwift, the Direto proved to be as compatible as advertised. I don't think it's a current model. Even the 11s MTB Shimano cassettes are actually set to fit on the 10s Shimano spacing. ANT+ however works like a charm, no problems there. Good value, fun to ride from Andreas_K October 13, 2020 I own this trainer for 18 months and logged around 3.000 Km with it. It is generally very quiet but does sometimes make a decent amount of noise at high speeds. See — link to zwiftinsider.com. Rides well, not too bad on the noise front. So for that, we need to actually look at the overlay from TrainerRoad showing when it sent the command followed by when the Direto XR achieved that level. Anyway, after calibrating with the app again, it works better. Customer service sent a replacement out straight away no problems, no questions, got here within 2 weeks and I was up and going again with a 30 minute fix and re-calibration. The avg is misleading…filled with 10%+ ramps and flattish hairpins. I have the original one, it's quite noisy altering resistance although I hear that there were noisy and quiet ones (I obviously got the noisy one !) Accurate power Well-built Portable/storable Quiet. So I am trying to decide if I should get a wheel on or direct mount, and how to decide which one. I bought it and the Smart Steering device. This sometimes results in numbness or other discomfort, even on bikes that are otherwise “perfect” when ridden outside. Once you get to 37kmh just keep increasing speed up to 55-57kmh. – It effectively gives you a massive cassette, which makes it *easier*, since it’s a fake cassette that doesn’t exist in real life, effectively flattening the hill. Easy set-up (provided you have the right cassette), but the calibration using Elite's myETraining app was a bit confusing (make sure you check out the instructional videos on their YouTube channel). The included cassette isn’t a deal breaker as I’ll be using my 10-speed bike on the trainer and will need to buy a cassette whichever trainer I get! You can send the workout to the garmin device (edge or probably the watch can do it too) and follow it from there. If you draft behind another rider, with the same gradient and same power, cadence and gear – your virtual speed will increase. It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. Cheaper is better apparently. Even without subscription can still use the app for the basic uses and the calibration. CONS: I have Drivo 2 and it takes 14 seconds to ramp up or down. I just got this trainer and so far, it’s not a good experience. This was a crit race on the new Zwift Paris course, and so you can see the constant ups and downs of it. Elite service is brilliant Hi Alan, I’ve been using a media loaner Direto XR for a few weeks now on a number of workouts, including Zwift and TrainerRoad, putting it to the test to see how it handles everything from shorter rides to longer ones – including climbing Mont Ventoux in Zwift. Elite: Fingers crossed it should be September 2020 … apologies for the delay …. You’ll see the trainer enumerated in a fairly similar manner on TrainerRoad as well: Also, TrainerRoad’s tips page on using smart trainers in ERG mode (which interestingly thinks this trainer is the Elite Real E-Motion B+): I’d *strongly* recommend you either read that page, or just simply do two things: A) Calibrate the Direto XR: I did it once upon initial setup, but never calibrated again. Narrator: Now we watch as AW change the difficulty setting from Mawds September 8, 2020 Nearly 2 years since I purchased my direto. The plug can be a bit niggly to get in/out & the cord is short so need an extension which adds to the items. I would not have finished without giving myself extra gearing by dialing it down. I’d expect around 6-10w though on 250w. Funny that it was easier to hold 1000W than 100W at such high cadence. Dual power analysis suggests < 2% difference (trainer reads higher, should actually read a fraction lower) vs my Assiomo's but close enough. I’ve had no issues in the three years I’ve owned it, primarily using Ant+ connections. And if I want power meter with Suito I need to get separate power meter (cranks/pedals etc)? DC Rainmaker & others have written well about this, so do some searching. I had some issues though, initially the trainer felt like the belt was sliding especially on steeper climbs which was annoying. Now It can be used only in “sim mode” due a hidden damage caused by the courier. I wouldn’t mind slightly less noise and faster ERG but e.g. It almost looks like ERG mode isn’t even enabled on the app. Looking forward to any development about en eventual firmware update for older Diretos! And H3? A second question right now I pedaled faster and the calibration through zwift worked. C. Rear tyre slippage (or better said the lack of slippage): direct-drive trainers don’t slip during sprints or at high power levels with low RPMs. PRO: My new smart trainer elite XR trainer and the question about the measurements estimates left / right power with the single rate of 9 euros. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. Stay tuned. Does what it’s ment to do. Easy setup Accurate power Quiet, Good home trainer, I was really satisfied, precise, quiet, easy for assembling Frankly, it was spot-on, and so I wasn’t about to dork with it again. For chainrings, I used 36/19 and a cadence of 90. The first turbo I received got jammed in first week, think the belt had not been put on properly / come off in transit; but the Elite customer care were great in helping replace it (where the retailer were terrible!). Here’s the levels being sent (the blue blocks)) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the Direto XR responded to it: In general, when it comes to ERG mode ‘accuracy’, I’m actually looking at three specific things: A) Base power accuracy: Is the power measurement aspect correct? Easy to set up and fold away, easy to connect (quite instantaneously), smooth running, quite realistic in terms of feel and accurate power numbers. Just enthusiasm? That “9EUR ONE-TIME FEE” as mentioned in the table seems a bit silly.. Couldn’t they just have added that amount to the cost of the unit itself? This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. I am a 65kg male with an FTP of around 200, and a sprint of around 800 watts. All it does is stop sweat for getting places it shouldn't (it also helps with vibrations too). I updated to firmware 073 prior to making this test. The pros would only be just a bit beyond that. Regardly, Andrea. Thank you. Elite never released any firmware update for the first Direto since it was more or less bug-free. Tacx alluded to some of this in their Flux 2 series, and I included some charts showing it. (Did try with bluetooth but didn't work well with Zwift in this set up). 1 snapped belt the only problem during this time. Yeah, I don’t think Elite would disagree on max grade being about marketing. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. Plan Your Full Season. In terms of portability, I brought it along on many holidays and have not experienced any issues. Slower to respond to power changes in ERG mode and to short slopes in Zwift The power measurement is very accurate and pretty much matches my power pedals readings. ... Buy now: Elite Direto OTS 2 Percent from Halfords for £499. I’ll try again later when I have time to warm it up. Wish them (Elite) good luck as they need to improve this. Tks, Hi Andrei, Regarding your cassette, the derailleur will be somehow misaligned while using the standard cassette on the Direto XR. You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m currently laughing. All in all, i would buy this trainer again, and from the reviews i've seen/read about the newer model, the reaction time has been much improved. I lost my first belt at 7,000 km and have since ridden about a similar amount with the second belt. Elite's own software is functional but not particularly exciting - and I never renewed the paid for subscription after the year trial that was included as Zwift just fit me better and more fun. I don't have the legs for short sprints and high power efforts, but it's dealt admirably with my 100 kg weight and ~300 (+/-50) W riding. My fan is 10 times louder than the trainer. – Integrated Power Meter (OTS), with accuracy claim of +/- 1.5% Kinda like Google Translate. Hi K, I have check that all spacers are there and nothing missing. I have a few issues I’m trying to resolve and haven’t had any luck yet…. Is this as good as it will get? email support is: info@elite-it.com. The Direto XR comes with a free yearly subscription of myETraining then it’s €19.99 per year – compatible with Windows, MAC, iOS and Android. Though, it also sounded like that last November. Elite service is brilliant, Impressive direct-drive trainer from chaeks September 9, 2020 Very simple to setup, well-priced, superb after-sales service from Elite. Thank for your reviews there always so complete. If I’m going to spend that kind of money I’d rather do it on a quieter trainer that has bang-on snap-to ERG mode changes. So I had some time to recalibrate and I noticed the My E-Training app was different. But longer rides, especially ones at lower power levels can lead to saddle pains that are often addressed with rocker plates and the like. Elite says: "The Elite DIRETO XR is the home trainer you were looking for your indoor training this season. No regrets, Happy boy with 1st gen Elite Direto from Faven September 29, 2020 I got my Elite Directo in January 2019 and after more than a 1 year it's been a reliable and durable direct drive smart trainer. The Elite my ETraining app can be used to adjust some things on the trainer like power smoothing. And I spend most of my time in TrainerRoad while watching either BikeTheWorld YouTube videos or Zwift. Of course, if you go to 0%, then you potentially swing too far the other way. I ended up having to move it out of the way. No direct drive trainer is cheap, but relative to other DD smart trainers, I really think you get the bang for your buck. It’s as simple as that. Plan on using it mainly on Zwift and TR. B) Put correct axle adapters on sides, add skewer The only time ERG struggles a bit is with short intervals of less than 30 seconds at high power, particularly with short rests and I often miss the rest stars in the really short rests as it never gets back down before the next interval starts - this doesn't trouble me much as I train for long distance triathlons and not any sprinting. I will change the cassette if it create to much of a problem. I arrived very well to put the bike on the trainer but impossible to connect the trainer via bluetooth or ANT+ (i bought the ant+ dongle) to any of my devices (iphone8/Ipadpro/surfacepro) So sad and almost desperate can anybody help me? Pente maximale simulée: 24%.. Puissance maximale: 2300 W (40 km/h). 1) It's not quite, and does this seeking thing that sounds like an old dot matrix printer. So ERG mode is key. Anyways I do about 3000 – 5000 kilometres per year on road and I’m thinking about my first trainer (to do 2-3 trainings a week, mixed with CrossFit and running, so definitely not a full-time rider) and what would you recommend for the same or almost the same budget: Maybe I somehow downloaded an old version from the app store and it was updated? Hi Pvl, I’ve had that thing siting in a box since last fall waiting for the Tuo…finally found a use for it! Said differently: Peak numbers in this competition don’t matter. - Solid build. It was replaced by the Direto II and is no longer considered part of Elite's "official range", although it is … My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated February 5th, 2021 @ 4:49 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. Mostly I change to level mode for a few seconds before going into ERG mode again when I’m around the desired wattage. I have no doubt that a more expensive trainer gives a more realistic ride feeling and has less issues, but for the price it is okay. I note the fact that in ERG mode it is advisable to shift to a small ring at front and towards the hub at the back. In reality though I think it’ll just snap the power cord in half. Difference is mostly made up from the 0's on the pedals (accurate) not being reflected on the trainer quickly enough. Really? Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? After going back and forth with tech support we were able to diagnose the problem. Did you notice any change in the belt/pulley design? Which one would you pick? In this mode, it’s just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. The next bit is stability. And hopefully, since the Direto XR is a tidier Direto X, that we won’t see any manufacturing issues. The belt is prone to break at some point, and the trainer cover bolts may be difficult to open. It was easy to set up and calibrate. But I decided to hold whatever the trainer threw at me – after 5sec, 1135W was the maximum I could do before my legs died. Direto XR and Assioma Uno- stabilized (Direto – 239W // Assioma 254W) is this normal?? Elite's customer services is very good. Hopefully, this will get sorted out. This is the one area I’d prefer Elite adopt what Wahoo has done with a small flexible ‘tail’ plug, that will easily detach if tripped over. it takes only the power, no matter your pedaling speed. Will you test our product before release? I bought the original trainer new (at a bargain), when it came out 2017. Neither Elite or Zwift seem able to help me. I’d have thought they’d have fitted/included a cadence sensor to use the Elite app pedaling analysis. Direto XR Moment of Inertia = 19930 kgxmm2 Packs away well & easy to calibrate whenever it does show a discrepancy on power/output which happens occasionally. No response whatsoever. I don’t think there’s a single one that’s fine. I checked with Elite on this, and they’re going to start doing some testing to see if it’s possible to update the Direto X firmware with the new algorithm. Good. After two years of use (riding 3 times a week / one hour average / 200 Watts average) it is still very solid and quiet. – New ERG mode algorithm with increased responsiveness/stability I wouldn’t worry about the noise. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Quiet Budget-friendly. Should I just start pedalling before starting the video?

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