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My Suito works fine … except power reading, which are a bit to low (not relevant for me since I have a powermeter on my bike). Bientôt disponible en ligne. In the same boat as I posted the other day due to the knocking noise. These show the state of your trainer. I decided to hold judgement until I can be sure. Distributor shipped it right away. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Thanks, I also had this. Now stay with me here – this setup is gonna be pretty complex. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! Meaning, those early batches were shipped in August or so for US folks getting them in early October. You’ll remember when I first looked at the Suito back in July there were a few quirks I wanted to see resolved. Your body isn’t a machine, so it’s always going to vary a tiny bit. Thanks. As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well. I didn’t want to “cheat” by decreasing either the FTP in E-Training parameter or the % of difficulty during the session (still in the app) so I tried to use the “PML” the Power Meter Link. In that sense a small chainring better simulate the road feel of a hill while the big chainring a flat course; which is probably also why it feels easier with big chainring, as the high momentum of the flywheel “helps” to stay on top of the target power once we reach it. Technically there’s also plugging it in. Suito on minor sale 570 EUR – as described above, unknown risks (Europe, Hungary) First, it comes with everything you need (i.e., cassette installed) but two things that are underrated about this trainer is its compact size (as wide as the skewer) and it's lightweight making it easy to move around in a small apartment. Guess I’m out 600 bucks. Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. However, I tried to do it with TrainerRoad using Bluetooth Smart, and that failed: Hmm, and then I looked closely and it said “Spin up to 4.7MPH”. In Zwift speed seems normal(because it takes speed from wattage & cadence I assume) but I sometimes can barely spin my pedals because there’s so much resistance. I had once some strange oscillation in ERG mode. Great trainer! View and Download Elite SUITO instructions manual online. I have never been able to calibrate Suito using Zwift or TR. I’m currently using a non-smart Tacx Vortex (shows watts, can erg, but no FE-C, and I could not catch broadcasted wattage data unfortunately (one of my main issues)), I was considering the Tuo as well, but as there’s no review yet anywhere, (and those always stated at 4-6 weeks availablity at rosebikes) i moved to direct drive, hence the Sutio. Or will those programs still control the W’s? Set up was a total breeze, connection to Zwift was painless, it is almost totally silent (the drive train is way louder that the trainer) and stores away in a snap. But the retailer did help… By offering an exhange and ultimately a refund due to being out of stock.. Other than this, the trainer has been working fine. If they didn’t include it, they wouldn’t sell as many. Now, some quick practical tips. Any suggestions? It is very stable, and it was relatively quiet in use. Could never do this with my tacx vortex… Anyone has a solution? Scott. The shifting being crap if using a 1X would however be expected, since that’s a totally different beast. See link to elitesrl.zendesk.com. If you want to use all the combinations on the 10s bike it can start to be a bit noisy, symptom that you probably shouldn’t do that (or if you really want then some rear derailleur indexing is needed every time you change from trainer to bike and viceversa). My understanding is Wahoo has a virtual gift pack you get when you register a new trainer that also gets you free 30-days of Zwift. Thank you for the great review Ray! Do believe value for money is great. However need something pretty straight forward. It’s a manual, and some flyers. Coming from running I’m completely new to cycling. After sending in a video of the knocking, Elite/Clever Training agreed to swap out that trainer for a new one. Especially when I saw the flat powerline of friends using a wahoo trainer. But there is that element. I returned my first Suito because of flywheel wobble. I would be interested to know if any of you has experience in using mixed type of data with those SWs; guess the alternative is to collect data for the same workout on different SWs and merge them later on one (whenever possible), something that honestly i’d like to avoid doing regularly. It has carved a name for itself by offering components and functionality that seriously undercuts the competition. Pros: Easy setup. I have a suspicion I’m doing something wrong and can fix it with somebody on the phone. Had the ticking or knocking noise periodically. The most common question I receive outside of the “what’s the best GPS watch for me” variant, are photography-esq based. I need to buy a wrench for this. What’s the benefits with upgrading to a Direct Drive? No, the flywheel does not move on mine…so the sound must be caused by something else….I’ll have to see what Elite support is saying it seems :/. Easy setup Accurate power Quiet. Many many thanks for your help! After a few rides on the Wahoo, it doesn’t wobble/vibrate like the Suito did (maybe a slight vibration at high speeds), and it is really quiet. thanks for the review. Shouldn’t their ERG algorithms smooth this out? Shimmy on the handlebars. Unfortunately, in practice for the first few months of the season – it was rather variable due to initial production hardware and software issues. I’m also facing issues with indexing of gears and drive train noise related to that (I’ve lubed my chain extra for the trainer), but that is still in tweaking process, hopefully I’ll sort it out, Can you share your experience on the above(noise level/some knocking sound?). The vibrations came at approx 45 km/h. Just tried to check adjustments underneath and it seems to have 7mm allen keys!!! Finally, Elite does have their own app that you can use for a handful of functions, but I had no use for it here at any point in the testing cycle. They get these at cost. My bike is a 142mm thu-axle so I require an adapter on either side. And it seems like there is no Software update coming…. What you see though is that it’s occasionally a bit wobbly towards the end of each set, but overall about the norm during the sets. TRAINER ELITE SUITO HOME. And again, don’t forget you can make your own charts in the product comparison tables here. About this product. Just setting up my Suito and pairing it with Garmin as well. Elite didn’t ask me to send it their distributor, instead I had to send it back to Clever Training. Admittedly, I'm a heavier rider, but it doesn't carry weight warnings. I have initially paired the trainer via iPhone app, done a free ride of 11mins in Garmin FR945 Bike Indoors activity, and then calibrated in My ETraining app twice. Top. This is also not possible as there have be fluctuations. I agree that the Suito is not very fast in adjusting to power targets in ERG, but it is no issue for me for intervals longer than 30s. Though even that has caused some confusion. Will also connect with your garmin device along with all other virtual cycling platforms, rouvy, myEtraining, etc. Did some ERG mode and free riding in Zwift. Great trainer at a great price from Rammer September 8, 2020 I have to admit that I chose the Elite Suito because it was the least expensive option as a smart trainer. Sorry to hear your problems. If you endure like this, it seems that all the problems have been fixed. Is this expected? Each bike wheel got less wobble than that trainer. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Portable/storable Quiet. Knock on wood. However, the ERG response (how fast you are locked onto the new power target) will likely be SLOWER when using PML than when using the Suito internal power meter, as there is an extra feedback loop to match the power levels. FWIW my power has been 0 – 1000 watts. That seems like a bit of a tall tale given the tests run on the review don’t show this. Which works, yes, but is it spinning down properly if it was expecting 35? That was a bad move. I highly reccomend to buy this trainer form Elite. Readings kinda all over the place, probably a feature, not a bug though. The wobbly flywheel didn't cause too much of an issue when you are pedaling, but when you stop (say going downhill in zwift) it would make the front of my bike shudder. I had an Elite Rampa before and that was measuring way too high. So having consistent data is quite important, or it’s pointless to train with Xert I guess…. People want a high ‘just works’ factor. I suggest you do a couple of trial runs in the included Elite training app. Elite suggests that you divide your circumference by 24.8, but when I did that my speed went down to 1-2 km/h while putting out 250 Watts. Be interested to see how everyone else gets on. Of course I am trying to find the best deal online. The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together, so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love). Contacted the online retailer, found out the number of the distributor and contacted them. Brought it to my Trek dealer to make sure everything was good. Any one else have this problem or know if it’s suppose to be one or two spacers I need to know my limits based on their metrics, even if wrong. The drive is very realistic feeling, the resistance switches very smoothly in ERG mode and the unit is relatively quiet. I had trainer difficulty at 100%. I am now returning the unit in exchange for a new one. It involves three steps: 1) Take plastic bag off cassette I suppose a bigger body of outdoor work this upcoming season will help me figure that out. What’s everyone’s recommendation? Did you get the power issue solved, and did you calibrate the unit? It is a really alarming sound and must be bad for the trainer. So set that aside for now. Sadly I can’t comment as my purchase is yet to be delivered. I insisted that there is something wrong with my trainer and after that, they sent me a fix I was supposed to try (see attached screenshot, basically just tightening both sides of wheel axis, similar to fix Tobias posted above). Easy setup Realistic inertiaWell-built Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. BW. Did a 1 hour TrainerRoad program today and I’m happy to report everything went well. J’avais donc déjà songé à faire l’acquisition d’un home trainer, notamment pour me préparer à concrétiser une idée bien débile. It’s not a big deal for most people, but it’s also not the best ‘Welcome to your new product’ thing either – especially for cyclists that aren’t as comfortable with shop tools. I had read online some people had issues with accuracy and a wobbly flywheel in 2019 on DCR website, and hoped for the best that I would get a new one with no problems. I found out that when using an external watch or bike computer (in my case: Garmin Fenix) to record an indoor ride with the Suito, the wheel circumference setting should be the actual wheel circumference / 24.8. It’s as simple as that. What about calibration. There had been an obvious flywheel wobble. Best wishes for 2020, among them: functioning Elite Suito ! Click above for all the details. Was finding difficult to get back into training and riding. Among Elite's interactive hometrainers range, Suito is innovative as it features a practical Plug&Play configuration, designed to let you experience right away a quick and easy indoor bike training session. It is very portable and tolerable as you can fold both legs. I’m a software architect by trade and a tinkerer by choice. I use Apple TV for Zwift the vast majority of the time, but also just for watching YouTube/Netflix/etc on the trainer. Looking good. Hopefully it's just a firmware thing! Can’t compare to a high end trainer for that matter. Would that happen to be from Boerkop Cykler? Especially when I ramp up to 100rpm ish. Been using it for half a year now and never had experienced any problems. But given what Ray wrote here and in other reviews, I believe that it is perfectly within what can be considered normal for a unit in this price range. I typically do that with my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage: Note above the super hard to read green-line was actually the target, not the blue line. Had to return it. SUEXXX model number. I understand that this is an abstract value for the time it takes the trainer to spin down, so maybe it’s just bearings and the freewheel and the drivetrain in general settling in? Maybe that's not a Suito issue but more a Zwift bug??? If I would’ve known about this before purchasing, I definitely would’ve steered clear of this trainer. As soon as zwift changes the target wattage to something else, the speed is off again. (Note: All of the charts in these accuracy sections were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. If with the bike on the trainer, you can move the flywheel using just some small force at the saddle, then it is a loosen nut. The odd thing is that it only occurs for power data. Overall a great value for the non perfectionist. Really not a great time for it to be breaking. Otherwise, you’ll see what you’re seeing in terms of unpredictability. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! HI, Thank you very much for the in-depth review. I'm doing calibration once a month with consistent results but I don't have another power meter to compare. A function that saved me ! I had been on a wahoo kikr snap for 8 months. But that only works in level mode, not in ERG mode I suppose? It seems to be a flawless unit. The flywheel only weighs 3.5 kg, but I am not experienced enough to tell what difference a heavier component would make for my "ride feel". It’s less noisy than most trainers made prior to 2018. As we approach sale season in Europe early January, I just want to avoid any hassle factor. The main ‘thing’ about the Elite Suito is the whole concept of ‘pull it out of the box, start riding’. I have never been able to calibrate Suito using Zwift or TR. Also note that while I have lots of data all the way back to July, I’m just going to focus on the most recent firmware for the accuracy data (though honestly, it didn’t change much before – except fixing a few issues I saw this past summer). Elite support it not being helpful past the point to just state to replace it and contact where I got it from. I just got mine yesterday. First, there’s a handle. As always, once I’m done with this thing I’ll get a shipping label on this loaner unit and it’ll head back to Elite. I cannot calibrate it via Zwift…why? Hi there, no, not following the Zwift forum thread…but I’ll see if I can find it. Thanks. However, I have noticed considerable difference in power numbers between the Suito and my Quarq DZero. – do a 10 minutes training and check if you have disconnections during the training (you should see the data freeze) Last days of August. At just $799 with a cassette, it's one of the best values when it comes to a complete, indoor bike trainer. At that point I opened up Rouvy again, thinking that if it worked that at least that was another data point. I’ve just set the Suito to 85% of target power and lived with it. Occasional glitches in erg mode, but not that common. @450W, it reads 10% lower than my FSA powerbox (power2max, supposed to be very accurate) I basically get to the required 37km/h in 4 pedalstrokes and then stop pedalling. As I have no experience in DD trainer (or any other trainer at all) I’m not sure what can be treated as ‘within tolerances of manafacturing’ or what is definitely ‘return immediately’ type of thing, especially that with ongoing situation returning wouldn’t be as smooth as during ‘business as usual’. I'm one of the ones that do. Ride on! Easy to transport, practical to power up. You probably need to go with a wheel-on trainer for your set up. Thanks Jan. Do they even discuss that? This spring bought a second one for my wife. I don’t remember how I calculated it but I read something in the manual. I'm also fairly sure that it was shortchanging me by 200w when sprinting. Elite’s got a pretty efficient process for dealing with that should you run into a bum unit. Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard BLE combo Speed/Cadence sensor Ici, sur La Rochelle, vent et pluie n’ont pas fait beaucoup de pauses. The first serie came with a power cable that was a little bit too short and I got a new longer power cable free of charge directly from Elite. If you buy one of course there is a very high chance it will be fine…but I think the risk of getting a faulty unit is higher than for other brands or even other Elite models. I’ll stick to the powerbox for everything for now! Hi there! If you found this review useful, feel free to hit up the links at the end of the review. link to youtube.com I seem to have found I actually can make the small ring up front work out well. Not sure if I am missing something or doing something wrong? I bought a Suito two weeks ago. Chainreactions don’t have anybody able to offer that service. In less than 24 hours they responded with an email that had a prepaid UPS shipping label and instructions of what to do. Direto X for 660 EUR on minor sale- Adding an other extra 10% on budget. The source of those issues varied though. with the Suito and buying a new bike is not an option at the moment. I´ve been emailing with elite and already changed the board because i couldn´t get firmware upgraded, always stopped and told to get in contact with support. Or maybe it’s protecting you. Suffice it to say, this thing has kept me sane all these months. Linking my PM to zwift is an option. If you don't have a permanent setup for bike training this is an awesome, quality option. The lighter flywheel (less inertia) is immediately noticeable. Ah, right, I know which one you mean, thanks! This trainer has a built in power meter and cadence sensor. I decided to test using my Android phone with BLE FTMS and the trainer gods smiled upon me as I experienced resistance. The package seems really good, I would be happy if there weren't those two issues. Upon initial testing I’ve noticed flywheel wobble. I could be missing something, but I’ve read a lot message boards without getting the final solution. A shop is offering me the BF price for the Suito and I found another shop that may be selling the Core for under what Wahoos been allowing. @ Jeff, in my understanding there is no absolute recommendation to use big vs small chainring (assuming obvious things being comparable, like proper chain alignment). It's my first direct drive trainer, so i don't have much to compare it to, but it is a lot more quiet than a wheel on trainer and riding it feels much more realistic. Cadence has been all over the place, though, to the point that I popped a cadence monitor on my crank arms just to make sure I hadn’t lost my mind. As for the vibrations, my unit vibrates as well, finetuning indexing helped a bit, I think…. The main difference is honestly more around the power and road feel, which is better on the CORE. I decided to go with the Kickr Core. Unfortunately there is no real alternative for me. First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). (Not the bike, I tried different bikes). Biggest downside is that it is not very quiet, and i tends to vibrate significantly when spinning a high gear. I've done 8000km and 100000m D+ on this Elite Suito trainer in the past 6 month using mainly Zwift simulation mode. I’m having the same wattage issue. you´re my first and last reference before buying new electronic bike stuff. Granted, the wait for shipping and receiving was a bit, but that is what it is. Read lots of reviews and narrowed it down to the Suito. I returned this trainer and went to a Kickr Core, and instantly felt easier at a steady 200w effort, even after calibrating twice. Thanks, and greetings from the Puget Sound area…. There is some latency (1sec) between the trainer and Zwift but I don't know if it's better with other devices. And I’ll dive into that a bit later on, what went wrong, what’s different now, etc…. In the above, you’ll note there’s cadence data baked into the various streams. I’m trying to get HR data embedded in my workouts with the Suito; I have Garmin Forerunner 935 and, since it has only wrist HRM, I have then tried to use at the same time an old Suunto HR belt (from Sunto Quest, which I believe run on ANT) but I have yet to figure out how to get the belt data read and embedded in Suito my workouts. How is there not a handle on the Tacx NEO Series trainers – despite being the most expensive mainstream smart trainer on the market? Thanks Hardware revision 4. Love this trainer! Suito has a second or two delay in watt changes using TR and Zwift training rides. Could you please tell me more about that steering stuff under your front wheel? Plus, you'll be more awesome. the coupling with zwift is problem-free and it works perfectly. Im considering sending it back to the shop. But if you squint a little bit you can see that they’re all tracking fairly darn closely. Am I right that Suito itself cannot connect to the HR Ant belt and then send the data to e.g Zwift or Elite my-Etraining app via Bluetooth? And on paper, Elite had that. Do you mind telling me where you purchased yours from. You have to pay Elite annually for this privilege. Easy setup Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. It *would* be nice if the US vendors would recognize the issues and remove the pre-SUJ stock but I totally get why they aren’t. Similar to sound of metal on metal. Let me know what you find after having a look at it, and I hope it’s that, since it’s a super easy fix. I really wanted to like this trainer, I thought plenty of time had passed to get everything sorted out. It´s just a matter of presentation of data. And finally – it was designed to be entirely ready to ride by just pulling it out of the box – no assembly required. And then it became happy. In Zwift you get variability by having the road incline change and by being able to instantly sprint. Hij staat nu op 37% maar is dat een beetje realistisch. Was the elite suito noisy Boss and casette seems to wobble a bit to. The Wahoo KICKR CORE is pretty close to silent. I received an answer after 3 days. The actual apps don’t typically much matter, but rather the use cases are different. Overall I would say that its a great trainer for the money, but like with the Kickr core last year has had production problems with the earlier models, but kudos to Elite (and Zwift) for being good at replacing these models quickly. Bonus points and a possible gold star if you explain why. The Suito is my second smart trainer and it behaves just the way yours does when compared to my 4iiii PM. Looking for the equipment I use day to day? FYI, my Suito was a SUI serial number (hardware version 2) if that helps anyone. I would not hesitate to buy another one if i had to I guess the question is: Is the Suito fixed? Wobbling Flywheel: By far this is the most common issue people have seen. So I did buy one of these trainers and I got a Hardware Rev 1 model and have every single problem under the sun with mine, except accuracy. Anybody has a solution for vibrations? DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. Elite is doing a great job taking care of those with issues, at least they did for me. I also just put together my complete ‘Gear I Use’ equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). Your opinion Ray? And I can’t find the recommendation of DC to change the 11-speed for an 8-speed. Overall very happy with the purchase. I previously could keep up with a buddy, but he was dropping me everywhere. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. Was setting up the extra wahoo components straight forward and did you find all you needed in the box (excluding cassette)? Jumps to 40rpm when you just do the first pedals at less than 10. Elite had redefined the pricing for that category and completely owned sales that winter. I’ve got a Suito that I bought in October 2019. I thought I could make do, but for something so expensive, you shouldn't need to put up with that. Thank you to all who have commented. ok, thanks, the nut feels rock-solid when I try to move it by hand…but I will have another look and see if I can find a spanner that size…power readings are still off, though…. (ie. So they might still be on earlier stock. Using Bluetooth it comes out at around 10W less than my Rotor Inpower cranks (as expected) but using ANT+ it’s 30-40W down and fluctuates wildly? Calibration instructions tend to be wrong, but it will work if you spin up much faster than instructed. It also has a very small footprint for those that wanted to store it away (or under) something. I’m thinking it’s probably ok as I can install a cassette and pricing in the UK made the Zumo a good £125 cheaper. I’ve had my Suito for about eight weeks now and have been fairly happy with it. Remember, a unit produced in early October doesn’t mean a unit you buy in Seattle in late October is fixed. Hardware level 4. Installation du home trainer Elite Suito. Good value. The only thing that came in the box was a link to the elite website, which then presumably generates the code for use in Zwift. I have a Ultegra 11sp 11-28, I know I am ok there with casette set from the Elite. Today while riding in Zwift/Watopia, the Suito fluctuated between 350W and 100W (without noticeable difference in effort), while the DZero remained at ~200W. In general, you should calibrate every once in a while (perhaps every few weeks), or anytime you’ve moved the trainer some distance (like to a new home/etc…). Whereas in the case of TrainerRoad I used it in a structured workout mode (ERG mode). This winter things are a bit different. I can’t tell if some of the noise is the quirks of my bike in certain gears or the actual ticking noise described. Was the wahoo core noticeably quieter Did you buy which one? With these adapters, the smallest cog is shifted by just under 2mm closer to the frame (outward). Elite told me to exchange it on warranty through my retailer…took many months, blood, sweat and tears t finally get a new one. Overall, performance is great, especially given the price. Seems like Elite still has issues getting the Suito stable. And the cause of the accuracy was oddly an incorrect bit of code within the Elite E-Training app (specifically inside the Advanced Configuration page), that would solidly hose up the trainer. I was wondering if anyone with experience of the Kickr Core and the Suito might be able to give me some advice regarding sound levels when the trainers are in use. The myETraining app is quite powerful, although Zwifters probably won’t use any of its features beyond calibration. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. The power control seems good to me, though I haven’t tested against my power meter. The CORE you’ll need to attach the legs (3-5 mins if you do it right the first time), then install a cassette (60 seconds if you’ve done it before, probably 5-15 mins if you’ve never done it). (why to pay 500Eur for a kickr snap if suito is there for 600). So I don’t use it. The target power for this interval was 401w (not 428w, that was the original workout, I had scaled it down since I did three trainer rides that day). I’m expecting that it will probably stabilize at some point, hopefully at least. I see the KICKR is much quieter now than it used to be. If I turn the pedals, this silver wheel seems to have a flat spot. After warming up for 12min at a decent intensity (>200W). I am guessing this is something I cannot fix myself and the wheel / trainer must be replaced. How do I connect it to my heart rate Easy to use direct drive trainer that’s reasonably priced from Marjolein September 9, 2020 The Elite Suito is easy to set up and to use. Back in July that was actually fairly unique. Elite Suito – Review from J Faim September 9, 2020 Easy set up, i´ve decide to buy this specific model for 2 main reason, price and all itens were included (cassete). When Powermeter Link is established, is the external power meter also used for ERG-Mode? I only got an issue 3 or 4 times during trainings (ERG mode): suddenly the "brake" activates and is very strong. Le home trainer est très utilisé lors de l'hiver, il permet d'utiliser son vélo à l'intérieur : il suffit de poser la roue arrière sur le cylindre de l'appareil et de pédaler. Due to current climate won’t be able to pop into store for support. I mentioned that I was concerned that maybe I got a replacement that was old as far as production and I was told that wasn’t likely be he could tell if I gave him the serial number (SUI192259). Garmin etc.

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